Brian Lavallée from Ciena talks with Mike Vizard about how the work-from-anywhere movement has impacted DevOps, networking and security. The video is below, followed by a transcript of the conversation.
Mike Vizard: Hey, guys. Thanks for the throw. We’re here with Brian Lavallée who is senior director for solutions marketing at Ciena. Brian, welcome to the show.
Brian Lavallée: Thanks. Nice to be here.
Mike Vizard: You guys just put out this study talking about what’s happening on the technology impact from working from home. A lot of folks are accessing cloud resources. They have home networks that may or may not be up to the task. Are we looking at some sort of networking crisis coming up as we move to working from anywhere? Do people understand that bandwidth is going to be an issue?
Brian Lavallée: I wouldn’t say it’s a crisis, but it is a work in progress. Just over the last year, year and a half, the global pandemic, our homes have turned into the new branch office, the new classroom. People are learning, playing, and working from home, and it’s put additional stress on the network. One of the main challenges is speeds, because now you have two, three, four people accessing the same broadband connection from home at the same time, and then you have the whole security aspect, where if your home is the new branch office, very often you need additional security to do work, not only with your head office, your colleagues, but also with your cloud applications.
Mike Vizard: I have found myself trying to fight for bandwidth with an 11-year-old, so I know what the issues are and what the problems can be. Do you think companies, as we go forward, are going to turn around and say to their employees, “Here is the router we want you to use”? Are they going to give them that router, or the access point at home? How far will they go to make all this happen and maybe provide that additional layer of security?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, I think, for sure, adding additional security, even availability, a more resilient connection is necessary going forward. Companies or enterprises are going to implement this differently. Some may do a lot of their security capabilities in the cloud. This allows you to have a centralized location to do all your security, you know, talking about SASE, _____ connectivity, and because it’s centralized, it’s easier to implement and control, rather than having specialized devices or specialized software sitting on everybody’s laptop. If you’re a large enterprise, you can have thousands to many thousands of people working from home, so centralizing your security aspect with a high-speed connection is probably the way moving forward.
Mike Vizard: What impact does that have back on the core networks? I mean, if everybody has suddenly got more bandwidth at the edge, does that have a cascading effect up through the rest of the network infrastructure? Do I need additional core routers or networks? How will this play out in your mind?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, _____. Content is created and consumed at the edge, and that’s from humans or machines ‒ think sensors, cameras, and so on. Definitely, as we open up the access ramps, 5G is a way of opening up the wireless access ramp, plus you have a variety of wireline broadband technologies for the home, even the offices. For sure, it has a knock-on effect into the core network because, if you think about it, most of the content and applications that you access, whether it’s on your smart phone, your laptop, tablet, or whatever device you’re using, it’s sitting on a datacenter somewhere. That could be a datacenter close to you, an edge datacenter maybe sitting in the same city as you. It could be a datacenter on the other side of the world sitting in Norway or Sweden or Finland.
Mike Vizard: I’m feeling like a lot of the applications that people are starting to build, consume data and analyze data at the point at where it’s created more, it’s more happening out at the edge. Is there a lot more sensitivity around latency? Will the laws of networking physics come back and bite us soon, and are we seeing new classes of applications?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, and that’s a good question because it leans into the topic of discussion, one of the hotter ones today, which is edge computing or edge cloud. By putting storage and compute access closer to the end-users ‒ again, those end-users could be humans or machines ‒ it does inherently reduce the latency only because you have a shorter physical distance to travel. But, we have to remember latency is not just about distance, it’s about the amount of network nodes that are sitting between you and your content, so the more network devices you go through ‒ switches, routers, and so on ‒ the more latency is incurred and accumulated. Pushing the storage and compute closer to the edge with high-speed connections is a very good way of reducing latency, and it also opens up a whole bunch of new applications where latency is a critical factor beyond just increased speed.
Mike Vizard: I feel like right after the pandemic, we sent everybody home, we gave them their little wireless network, we hooked them up with a VPN, and they accessed the applications in the office. Then, they went out to the cloud and they had this kind of backhauling effect of the network traffic flow. You mentioned SASE. Are we going to change the way we think about how applications are deployed and how we access them, whether they’re up in the cloud? Is the routing concept that we’ve known all these years changing? How do you think we’re going to go forward from here?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, so I think the increased adoption of cloud-based services is an unstoppable juggernaut. It is happening. There are security concerns. Our survey that we did, the study, we did show that there was a security concern of moving more and more into the cloud, but the cloud providers, the telecom operators, they’ve done a lot of excellent work over the last few years to address security, make increased security for their end-users. The cloud-based service providers, they realize that security is top of mind above everything else, so I think that will continue going forward. As more and more end-users are accessing cloud-based applications and content, the network becomes a critical factor because the network now is sitting in between you and the content you’re trying to access.
Mike Vizard: Do you think the bad guys have figured all this out and they’re targeting people at the end point now and looking at these slightly misconfigured networks? Sometimes we’re using fraud RDP protocols. Are they getting it? Are they after us?
Brian Lavallée: They’ll always be there, nefarious actors, bad actors, whatever you want to call them, so they will always be there, but the cloud providers, the telecom operators, they know this, so they are consistently upgrading, modernizing, and putting increased security capabilities into their network. It’s always going to be a battle of people who want to do not so good things with the network and content, and the people that actually run those datacenters and networks. I think that will continue going forward, it’s kind of human nature, but we’ve made great strides as an industry, and that’s across IT, telecom, and cloud-based services in terms of security. With more and more people from home, I mean right now we’re living in probably the largest working-from-home experiment of our species, and, if you think about it, the network, it has bent in a few places, right?
Most of the networks are running hotter, but it hasn’t broken. The Internet has not broken. A lot of people early on thought that if everybody moves home, it’s not that you have more capacity coming to the home, but the traffic patterns have changed. During the day, when a lot of people went to school and work, the traffic was to the schools and the head offices, but now the whole traffic pattern has moved into the home. Although a lot of people were concerned, I think the telecom operators deserve a lot of credit. The network has bent in a few places, but it hasn’t broken, and they’ve just learned a lot over the last year, and the networks will just be that much more reliable going forward.
Mike Vizard: Prior to the pandemic, the carriers were trying to encourage people to offload from the network and use WiFi. Now we have 5G, and people are talking about 6G and who knows what comes after that. Are we getting to a point where we can just run 5G into the home? Will that get cost-effective at some point and we won’t have all these WiFi routers, or will it always be some sort of a balance between 5G, 6G and WiFi and we have to figure it out?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, I mean my personal opinion on that, I think it will always be a mix of technologies. I’ve been in this industry long enough to know that a technology network completely disappears, at least not in my career. It always has places of use. The big difference with 5G over 4G LTE and previous technologies, and even WiFi, previous generations of mobile technologies, it brings a lot of new benefits to the table, right? If we look at the faster speeds, this is what gets the most press coverage because that’s what people will see right away, but it also brings much lower latency. We’re talking order of magnitudes lower latency. It connects to a wider variety of connected devices, such as sensors and smart devices, and then we have this whole concept of network slicing, which can guarantee end-to-end performance.
You can guarantee the speed, latency, and resilience. We haven’t had that in the past with any mobile network generation, and, to a large extent, we haven’t even had that on the wireline technologies. So, 5G coming right into your home, if you think about it, if you’re a network operator, it’s much easier just to send a 5G hotspot, it could be a router, residential gateway to somebody’s home, they turn it on, they plug it in the wall, and it discovers the mobile network and then BOOM, you’ve got one-gigabit-per-second capacity right to your home. That is, I think, the way of the future in many cases, but there are some technical challenges that still need to be overcome. But, most operators are looking at 5G fixed wireless access to the residential, but even businesses as something in their toolkit going forward to compete with wireline technologies.
Mike Vizard: Do you think there is a rebellion coming among the end-users who are using this stuff? When you hear them, they’re kind of complaining a lot about the experience, so do you think that at some point they’re going to start picking what companies they want to work for based on what kind of work-from-home, work-from-anywhere experience they can get? Will that factor into hiring and retention more than it has in the past?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah. I mean, the network is critical infrastructure today, especially for the younger generation who were born and raised on having always-on connectivity. I think that will continue going forward. But, as more people work from home, I know we hear a lot of talk about the new normal, what ire the workplace, for instance, or the school systems going to look like after the pandemic subsides? We don’t really know. But, what I think we do know is more people will be working from home. I see it in my personal life, I see it with my colleagues, I see it with friends and family. Their companies are looking at implementing working from home at least a couple of days a week. There are a lot of benefits to the company to do this, as well, so the network will become that much more important.
I think people will shop around if the provider they have, the network provider, is not giving them the performance that they need, and it will become a highly competitive marketplace. I mean, it is pretty competitive now, but I think it will be that much more so going forward in terms of speed, latency, and availability, the three main things that you need with a high-speed connection to your home.
Mike Vizard: I might even one day factor networking costs into my compensation packet, but we’ll see what happens.
Brian Lavallée: There you go.
Mike Vizard: What is your best advice to people who are on the IT side of this equation, they’re the network managers, they’re security people. What is the conversation that they should be having higher up the food chain to the board of directors about what needs to happen to really enable this next wave of work?
Brian Lavallée: Yeah, I mean, the higher speed to the home is something that a lot of people talk about. We just talked about it earlier, more people working, playing, and learning from home, so capacity will always be at the forefront of discussions and having competitiveness for an operator with another operator. But, I think increased security features, this could be wrapped around a broadband connection to your home, so rather than just buying a high-speed pipe to your service provider, they would also provide you with SASE type of capabilities, so security, firewalls, and so on. I think looking at bundling, IT services with the connection is definitely the way to go. It is a differentiator, and it is what people will be looking for because if you’re the average home user, whether it’s for playing, learning, or working, you really don’t care what technology you’re buying, as long as it’s cost-effective and it meets your needs.
I think my advice for the operators is to look at what is available recently, some of the newer technologies ‒ virtualization and SASE technologies and the SD _____, a whole bunch of other technologies ‒ and start to wrap these into a bundle that you solve most, if not all of the needs of the subscriber, and then you could differentiate far above and beyond just a higher speed.
Mike Vizard: All right, guys, you heard it here. Faster things that are insecure do not necessarily represent progress. Hey, Brian, thanks for being on the show.
Brian Lavallée: Happy to be here. Thank you.
Mike Vizard: All right, guys, back to you in the studio.
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