How Cognition evals, routes, and guarantees agent work

How Cognition evals, routes, and guarantees agent work

Russell Kaplan is the President of Cognition , the $26 billion company behind Devin, the AI software engineer. He started his career in machine learning at Tesla's Autopilot team, then led the ML org at Scale AI, which had acquired his computer vision startup Helia. In this conversation, Russell unpacks why more and more engineering work is becoming "intelligence saturated," how the sidekick architecture inside Devin Fusion cuts cost without cutting quality, and why Cognition is underwriting a $10 million productivity guarantee.

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What We Learned

Model quality got so good that speed and cost became the bottleneck

Russell noted that frontier models jumped so much that "more and more of the tasks in software engineering are getting intelligence saturated." Most models can now handle them well. Developer priorities shifted with it, going from "wait, I need to be using the best possible model" to "holy cow, I'm spending so much money on my coding agents."

However, adversarial, competitive workloads remain the exception to this rule. If you're trading against a counterparty, you still want the most frontier intelligence you can get. For most production software, teams will likely start asking how to bring the cost down once quality clears the bar

Why Cognition created FrontierCode

When Cognition launched Devin, it scored in the teens on SWE-bench. Now, in Russell's words, "SWE-bench is totally saturated." Looking for a harder benchmark, Cognition found something evals weren't measuring at all: whether code that's technically correct is code you'd actually want to merge.

"Would you actually merge it? Would you feel happy? Would this improve the quality of your code base?" Those questions became the basis for FrontierCode, the harder benchmark Cognition built to replace it.

Devin triages its own team's Slack channels

Cognition runs Devin proactively. It's wired into a bunch of the company's internal Slack channels, triaging every message and deciding whether it needs to chime in or dig further.

The agent also carries context on who owns what across the codebase and company, so it can point the right person, or itself, at the right change.

Other Topics Discussed

  • When to use Fable vs GPT models
  • How smarter routing unlocked 35% better price performance
  • Why letting users pick their own model is a UX bug
  • Wiring agents to be proactive instead of reactive
  • How Cognition scores a session productive or unproductive

Timestamps

  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 01:21 Launching Devin at 13% on SWE-bench
  • 02:47 When Devin became the number one committer to Devin
  • 05:56 Intelligence saturation: when speed and cost start to matter more
  • 07:05 When to use Fable vs GPT models
  • 08:41 Why mergeability is the next eval bar
  • 10:51 How open source maintainers shaped FrontierCode
  • 14:56 The telltale sign of agent-written code
  • 17:56 When per-person token spend starts to eclipse salaries
  • 20:26 Why letting users pick their own model is a UX bug
  • 21:46 How smarter routing unlocked 35% better price performance
  • 23:50 Why Cognition still trains its own models
  • 27:13 Deploying Cerebras at scale at 950 tokens per second
  • 28:21 The Tesla chip debate: does an inference chip need division
  • 30:06 Wiring agents to be proactive instead of reactive
  • 32:19 Why "software factory" is the wrong term
  • 35:16 Why everyone is now a new grad
  • 41:10 Forward deployed engineering, and why ex-founders thrive
  • 43:16 The industry's incentive to get you tokenmaxxing
  • 45:11 How Cognition scores a session productive or unproductive
  • 46:51 Underwriting a $10 million productivity guarantee
  • 48:11 Using productivity dashboards to coach, not police

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