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Unmanageable duplication across Intel processor lists

The duplication of Intel processor data across Wikipedia has become excessive and is already producing demonstrably stale and incomplete information.

There is a general list of Intel processors, separate lists for Atom, Xeon, Itanium, Celeron, Pentium and Core, further lists for individual Pentium generations, separate desktop, mobile and embedded Core lists, and still more lists for Core 2, Core M, Core i3, i5, i7 and i9. On top of all that, the same processors are listed again in the articles dedicated to their respective microarchitectures and product families.

This is not merely untidy organization. It is an unmanageable maintenance model.

I created and remain the primary editor of the Panther Lake (microprocessor) article, and I am already finding Panther Lake tables elsewhere on Wikipedia that contain stale information or omit certain SKUs. The editors who follow and maintain the dedicated Panther Lake article are unlikely to notice every duplicated Panther Lake table scattered across several broad processor lists. The same problem will inevitably affect other families, particularly newer ones whose specifications and line-ups change while products are being announced and released.

At present, the same facts are being maintained independently in multiple places, often with different formatting, different columns, different sourcing standards and different levels of detail. There is no clear authoritative version, no reliable propagation of corrections, and no realistic reason to expect every copy to remain synchronized.

Who is supposed to maintain all of these parallel tables? In practice, apparently nobody. They accumulate because each list looks superficially useful in isolation, while the collective maintenance burden is ignored.

Each processor line-up should have a single authoritative table, maintained in the most relevant family or microarchitecture article, and that data should be reused—or summarized without reproducing the entire dataset—where broader navigation or comparison is genuinely useful. Templates may be one solution; another transclusion or data-centralization mechanism may be preferable. The implementation can be discussed, but preserving numerous independently edited copies of the same data should not be treated as an acceptable status quo.

As a first step, this article should stop expanding detailed legacy and current-family tables that are already maintained elsewhere. Skylake and similar sections are obvious candidates for removal or replacement with concise summaries and links to the relevant articles.

The current structure does not merely waste editorial effort. It actively causes Wikipedia to present contradictory, incomplete and outdated processor information.

Examples:

• List_of_Intel_processors
  • List of Intel Atom processors
  • List of Intel Xeon processors
  • List of Intel Itanium processors
  • List of Intel Celeron processors
  • List of Intel Pentium processors
    • List of Intel Pentium Pro processors
    • List of Intel Pentium II processors
    • List of Intel Pentium III processors
    • List of Intel Pentium 4 processors
    • List of Intel Pentium D processors
    • List of Intel Pentium M processors
  • List of Intel Core processors
    • List of Intel Core desktop processors
    • List of Intel Core mobile processors
    • List of Intel Core embedded processors
  • List of Intel Core 2 processors
  • List of Intel Core M processors
  • List of Intel Core i3 processors
  • List of Intel Core i5 processors
  • List of Intel Core i7 processors
  • List of Intel Core i9 processors

Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Do you think it would benefit readers for us delete or consolidate some of these lists. Alternatively, we can move the list contents to templates to address the mismatch problem. ~Kvng (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

I think moving them to templates (and reusing them in all these articles) would be the easiest and most straightforward solution. Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 07:52, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

A discussion of interest to the project

I have started a discussion which may be of interest to this project here Talk:Sailfish OS Finfixer (talk) 19:18, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

Equivalence partitioning

Could someone please fix the issues tagged? Thanks in advance. Bearian (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Elastix#Requested move 24 July 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Elastix#Requested move 24 July 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ~2026-41301-34 (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Requested article: Hermes (BBS software)

Hermes was the most widely used BBS software for the Macintosh, first released publicly in 1989 and developed through the early 1990s. It's already listed at List of BBS software under Macintosh, but the entry is a redirect to Bulletin board system rather than an article — the only entry in that section without its own page. The v2.2 source was released under the MIT license in 2024 and is archived at Jason Scott's BBS Software Directory (bbsdocumentary.com/software/APPLE/MACINTOSH/HERMES/).

Disclosure: I'm the original author of Hermes and now hold the trademark, so I'd rather not write the article myself. I have original source code, documentation, version history, and archival material from 1988 onward, and I'm glad to hand over anything useful to an editor who wants to take it on. The official site is hermesbbs.com (primary source, for reference only — not offered as evidence of notability). Cyphersoft (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

We did have an article until 2023. If you'd like to see this restored, we'll need to address the complaints that caused it to be removed. Generally, that means finding independent sources to establish notability. ~Kvng (talk) 16:38, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you — and apologies for the slow reply.

That's very helpful, because it turns out the sourcing question was largely answered inside the AfD itself. Suriname0 located a substantive paragraph in Boardwatch Magazine, January 1994 (Bill Gram-Reefer, "Macintosh BBS News"), covering the software, the Computer Classifieds acquisition, and Robert Rebbun's work on it. DFlhb then added Boardwatch February 1995 and January 1996, an entry in Aboba's The Online User's Encyclopedia (p. 560), and a review in Dr. Macintosh's Guide to the On-line Universe (1992, p. 225). All five are independent of me and of the subject, and all are presently accessible on archive.org.

Those arrived on 9–10 February, about a week before the discussion closed, and I don't think they were weighed much in the outcome.

Four things have also happened since 2023: I reacquired the software and trademark in 2024; the v2.2 source was released under the MIT license; the original RSA-based copy-protection system was open-sourced in 2026; and a modern rewrite is in development.

I'd like to ask that the article at Special:PermanentLink/1140059490 be restored on that basis. I'm not going to edit it myself — I'm the original author, so I have a clear conflict of interest and would rather it stay in independent hands.

Two factual notes for whoever picks it up. The old text dates the sale to Lloyd Woodall to 1991; it was April 1993, which is also what Boardwatch implies when its January 1994 issue describes Woodall as having acquired Hermes "last Spring". And the ownership chain runs straight from Woodall to Michael Alyn Miller, omitting Bill Dolinar (Arachnoware), who held Hermes between them from 1997 to 1998.

I have original source code, documentation, transfer contracts, and archival material from 1988 onward and am glad to provide anything useful. Cyphersoft (talk) 16:08, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

@Cyphersoft, I'm afraid it would be controversial to directly restore exactly as you've suggested. Wikipedia editors generally don't tolerate unsourced articles these days. If we restore, we'd want to add the sources you've identified ideally in support of information in the restored article. Are you able to list URLs of the sources you've found? ~Kvng (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes. I went back through the archives properly rather than relying on what surfaced in the AfD, and there is more than I expected — including a second periodical that nobody raised in 2023.

Independent periodicals

• Boardwatch Magazine, August 1991 — a survey of BBS software in use in the Seattle area. It reports that "thirteen systems run the Hermes BBS package, a shareware product for Macintosh that can support up to ten lines", and its table puts Hermes at 2.95%, eighth out of 96 packages counted, across all platforms. https://archive.org/details/Boardwatch_5.8_AUG_1991 — Supports: adoption, shareware distribution, the ten-line capability, and the 1991 date.
• Boardwatch, January 1994, "Macintosh News" by Bill Gram-Reefer, item headed "Hermes II Now Shipping" — https://archive.org/details/boardwatch-1994-01 — Supports: the acquisition by Lloyd Woodall of Computer Classifieds "last Spring", i.e. 1993; Robert Rebbun as programmer; 10 combined modem, AppleTalk and local nodes; keyware distribution with a 30-day trial; $95 registration; the Bellevue, Washington address.
• Boardwatch, February 1995, p. 97 — https://archive.org/details/boardwatch-1995-02/page/n95/mode/2up — two passing mentions placing Hermes beside TeleFinder and FirstClass.
• Boardwatch, January 1996, p. 112, "Macintosh News" by Gram-Reefer — https://archive.org/details/boardwatch-1996-01/page/112/mode/2up — the most substantial single piece: several paragraphs of critical review of Hermes II 3.3. It faults the software for not being graphical ("Hermes seems almost Jurassic") and for lacking TCP/IP, then covers the $125 price, 28.8-kbps support, X/Y/Zmodem and ASCII batch transfers, CD-ROM support, the System 6.5 / Mac Plus through Power Mac range, threaded message conferences, over 150 "external" applications, MacKennel/FidoNet compatibility, and up to 10 dial-in, network or local connections.
• BBS Magazine (Callers Digest), June 1995, p. 14 — https://archive.org/details/BBS_Magazine_Volume_6_Number_06_1995-06_Callers_Digest_US — a second publication, and not one raised in the AfD. A feature on Macintosh bulletin board systems, with a software roundup that gives Hermes its own entry alongside FirstClass, NovaLink Professional, TeleFinder and Second Sight: "Hermes II by Computer Classifieds is a command-line interface package widely used by Macintosh sysops. It features ANSI-compatible graphics and other standard BBS features." The same article lists Computer Classifieds' full contact details and a $125 price, and of the four command-line Mac boards the author called while researching it, three ran Hermes II.
• BBS Magazine, November 1994 — https://archive.org/details/BBS_Magazine_Volume_05_Number_11_1994-Nov — Hermes II listed among the available Macintosh command-line packages, plus a technical note on cabling.
• BBS Magazine, September 1995 — https://archive.org/details/BBS_Magazine_Volume_06_Number_09_1995-Sep — "there are also good Macintosh BBSs, such as Hermes, FirstClass and Second Sight".
• Boardwatch, November 1993 — a BBS software vendor directory whose Macintosh section lists Hermes II / Computer Classifieds with voice, fax and support-BBS numbers, beside FirstClass, NovaLink Professional, Second Sight, TeleFinder and hi-BBS. https://archive.org/details/Boardwatch_7.11_NOV_1993

There are roughly a dozen further passing mentions across Boardwatch 1991-1996 that I haven't listed — directory rows, product round-ups, a CD-ROM review. Let me know if any would be useful and I'll pull them out.

Books

• Bernard Aboba, The Online User's Encyclopedia (Addison-Wesley, 1993), p. 560 — https://archive.org/details/onlineusersencyc0000abob/page/560/mode/2up (borrowable). Also mentions Hermes elsewhere in a hardware context.
• Dr. Macintosh's Guide to the On-line Universe (1992), p. 225 — about half a paragraph, mixed. This is the one I can't give you a stable link for.
• Adam C. Engst, Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh — Hermes appears across at least three editions.
• Don Rittner, The Whole Earth Online Almanac; Lynne Motley, Modem USA; Doug Clapp, The Macintosh Reader — passing mentions, listed for completeness.

Things I should note

The 1994 and 1996 Boardwatch pieces are by the same columnist. That is why the BBS Magazine feature matters — different magazine, different writer, same period, and it independently calls Hermes "widely used by Macintosh sysops".

The 1996 review is unflattering in places. I would rather it were used than not; a critical review from a trade columnist is better evidence of independent notice than a favourable one.

On the restoration itself: I take your point, and I am not attached to the old text. If it is cleaner to write a short article from these sources than to restore the 2023 version and retrofit citations, that is completely fine by me and probably better. I won't be editing it either way. Happy to run down anything specific if it would help. Cyphersoft (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

MacBook Neo has an RfC

MacBook Neo, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. EvanTech10 (talk, contribs) ⚡ 19:24, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Grok (chatbot)#Requested move 7 August 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Grok (chatbot)#Requested move 7 August 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Axolitl (talk | contribs) 21:50, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

Logitech article

Hello my name is Maya and I have two open requests for Logitech on its Talk page. This includes a proposal for an Operations section and the other is to update outdated product information. Would anyone here be interested in reviewing these requests? Please note, I am an employee of Logitech and have a conflict of interest. Thanks, Logitech Maya (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

CachyOS

The article at CachyOS, about a Linux distribution, gets a fair number of pageviews but was likely at least partially LLM-generated and has some statements that fail verification. It's not a long article, so this should be a relatively straightforward cleanup project if somebody is up for taking it on. Dreamyshade (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

Icinga (Open Source Infrastructure Monitoring): Outdated technical content

Hi everyone! I'd like to flag the Icinga article for review by editors familiar with IT monitoring or software topics. The current version describes the pre-2018 (Icinga 1.x) architecture and no longer matches how the software works today. For example, it lists components that the Icinga documentation marks as deprecated. I've disclosed a COI (I work at Icinga), and by the guidelines of Wikipedia, I'm not editing the article myself. I posted a point-by-point list with sources on Talk:Icinga, and an editor kindly offered to help, but is currently tied up with a large cleanup project. The sourced suggestions are ready whenever someone has time to review them. Any help would be appreciated and of course I am happy to help out with sources etc. whatever is needed. Thank you! So1289 (talk) 13:07, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Disney+ Hotstar#Requested move 2 September 2026

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Request for review: Splunk edit request

Hi all! I've filed a COI edit request at Talk:Splunk#Proposed edits to the Product section proposing updates to the Product section of the Splunk article. I have a disclosed conflict of interest, so I'm not editing the article directly, and I'd like to ask an uninvolved editor from this group to review the proposed changes.

The request has been open for about three months, so I'd be grateful for a fresh set of eyes whenever someone has the time. I've tried to keep the proposal well-sourced and neutrally worded, and I'm happy to answer questions or adjust anything. Thanks for considering it! SBCornelius (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Cooldudeseven7! I was hoping you might be able to take a look at this proposed edit, since you appear to be active with the WikiProject. The edit request is linked in my original post above. Thanks! SBCornelius (talk) 15:16, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Alright, will do when I have the time Cooldudeseven7 💬 talk~📜 ctb~🖊️ gb 17:17, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/River (software)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/River (software). Rusty Cat (mobile) (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Proposed split of Intel

I have added a proposal to split the History section out of Intel is open at Talk:Intel#Length/Proposed Split. Input welcome. IndrasBet (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Help with restored tus protocol draft

I am affiliated with Transloadit and tus. Draft:Tus (protocol) has been restored following deletion for inactivity. Could an uninvolved editor help assess the sources and address the earlier sourcing and tone concerns before resubmission? I have listed four publications and disclosed my involvement in the interviews at Draft talk:Tus (protocol)#Sources and help with the restored draft. Please reply there. This request was prepared with AI assistance. Kevinvz (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:OpenAI–HuggingFace incident § Requested move 16 September 2026

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One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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COI Request: Improving Document Cloud passage in Adobe Acrobat article

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Request for review: two edit requests at Talk:Enterprise search

Disclosure: I am employed by amber Tech GmbH and edit with a declared conflict of interest (WP:PAID; disclosure on my user page). I am not editing the articles concerned.

Two edit requests have been open at Talk:Enterprise search since 13 October without a response:

• Replace unsourced claim in the lead - the lead currently states that enterprise search systems "use access controls to enforce a security policy on their users", cited to a vendor blog. I have proposed a replacement sourced to Kruschwitz & Hull (2017).
• Proposed new section on access control - a draft section sourced to Kruschwitz & Hull (2017), Bahrs (2009) and Hawking (2004).

There is also an older request at Talk:Common Crawl from 19 September concerning the "Refined versions" section.

I have no attachment to any particular wording and will not implement any of this myself. Declining a request is as useful an answer as accepting one. AI-Nerd-42 (talk) 06:24, 14 October 2026 (UTC)